Jason Resch-2 wrote: > > On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 1:56 PM, benjayk > <benjamin.jaku...@googlemail.com>wrote: > >> >> >> I am getting a bit tired of labouring this point, but honestly your >> theory >> is postulating something that seems nonsensical to me. Why on earth would >> I >> believe in the truth of something that *can never be known in any way* >> (namely, that arithmetics is true without / prior to consciousness)? >> >> > Ben, > > Do you think that the 10^10^100th digit of Pi has a certain value even > though we can never know what it is and no one has ever or will ever (in > this universe at least) be conscious of it? If I assert the digit happens > to be 8, would you agree that my assertion must be either true or false? > If > so, where does this truth exist? Yeah, I think the 10^10^100th digit has certain value, and I agree we will probably never know it explicitly. But I don't think that we could never know it in any way. Consciousness just had no reason to focus on this digit in particular. It wants to know itself as a whole, and not every specific of the infinite abitrary facts about itself. It wants to compress everything that can be known into an efficient "format" of perception. Because we know the algorithm of determining the digits of PI, we already know all digits of PI in an abstract way, as a potential of knowing. This sense of knowing is included in what I meant with "in any way". Maybe I should have said "conceived".
This is the difference. I conceive that there is a 10^10^100th digit of PI, but I can't conceive of arithmetic without consciousness, because the very act of conceiving needs consciousness. benjayk -- View this message in context: http://old.nabble.com/Mathematical-closure-of-consciousness-and-computation-tp31771136p32226932.html Sent from the Everything List mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to firstname.lastname@example.org. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.