On 8/10/2011 10:27 PM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote:
On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 1:20 AM, Craig Weinberg<whatsons...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Aug 10, 9:55 am, Stathis Papaioannou<stath...@gmail.com> wrote:
Yes. Suppose your right hemisphere is replaced with a machine that is
functionally identical at its boundaries but has a qualitatively
To me this is like saying 'suppose the Eastern United States is
replaced with a machine that is functionally identical at it's
boundaries but has a qualitatively different culture.
The left half of your left visual field will
then look different, by definition if the visual qualia are different.
But your left hemisphere receives the usual signals through the corpus
The diplomatic relations with Europe will then be different, by
definition if the diplomatic culture is different. But the Western
U.S. receives the usual traffic across the Mississippi River,
so you state via the speech centres in that hemisphere that
everything looks exactly the same.
so the Eastern media reports the news that the diplomatic situation
with Europe has not changed.
In other words you can't notice any
change in your consciousness due to the functionally identical
replacement. I would say that if you continue to behave normally and
you notice no change in your consciousness then there *is* no
difference in your consciousness.
In other words Americans can't notice any change in their culture due
to the functionally identical replacement. You would say that if the
US continues to behave normally and it notices no change in it's
culture then there *is* no difference in it's culture.
Can you see why that's a rather oversimplified and misleading thought
experiment? If you replace a civilization of living organisms with a
machine, you have changed it's culture already. The intelligence of
the system isn't limited to the physical relations between the
neurons, it's millions of nodes of sensitivity all corroborating
experiences about the interior and exterior worlds.
Not a good analogy since the US is not conscious as a single entity.
Please explain what would you think would happen if you replaced part
of your brain with an unconscious component that interacted normally
with the surrounding neurons. Would you say "I feel different" or
would you say "I feel exactly the same as before"?
Exactly how would we know that that component was unconscious? What
is the test?
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