On 8/12/2011 12:37 PM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote:
On 12.08.2011 20:40 meekerdb said the following:
On 8/12/2011 11:00 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote:
On 11.08.2011 22:46 meekerdb said the following:
On 8/11/2011 1:04 PM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote:
I would say now that consciousness is conscious perception.
The main problem in my view though is who follows the
narrative. Does your theory answer such a question?
I'd say "You do", there's no separate person to follow it, it
This the point that I do not understand. The question is here more
what exactly is the observer in my body. Presumably it is the
brain. Then it first constructs the world that I observe, than it
observes the constructed world. It is completely unclear though,
how it happens.
IS. On the other hand, in terms of engineering a robot, I'd put
this narrative into long-term memory (disk?) in some kind of
It is not a big deal to save two two-dimensional images from
retina. It should be possible even to construct from them a
three-dimensional image. The question is what happens next? It is
the same question, who gets this 3D-image.
You robot do. It gets tagged with some notes, timestamped, and stuck
in the database for further reference and adjustment of learning
algorithms. That's it. There's no homunculus who watches it in the
Cartesian theater. That it is referenced and used in your cogitation
to influence your speech and other actions is what constitutes your
being conscious of it.
A quote from Jeffrey Gray (p. 110, it is just one of hypotheses in the
book, this time on the verge of dualism)
"(1) the unconscious brain constructs a display in a medium, that of
conscious perception, fundamentally different from its usual medium of
electrochemical activity in and between nerve cells;
I don't know what this means. I might agree with it as a metaphor, but
I have no idea what "the medium of conscious perception" refers to. It
seems to assume what it purports to explain.
(2) it inspects the conscious constructed display;
This has the brain inspecting itself. Again it seems metaphorical. It
might be a metaphor for my AI robot tagging stuff it puts in its database.
(3) it uses the results of the display to change the working of its
usual electrochemical medium."
Is this close to what you have said?
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