Animate? Inanimate? "Conceptually" we cannot compare "identity" of * complexities,* because we compare only as much as we know of and that is incomplete. "Zombie" I consider an artifact for a certain (mental?) fantasy-explanation without basis. Also 'dynamic' or 'static' is in *our view* streamlined into the (human?) image we made up for the world we live(?) in - as we see it. In a World of unlimited complexities (in continuous interchange of relations) we are lost at this moment. Our terms are irrelevant. We 'compute' those characteristics (qualia?) only what we know of. That's our conventional science. Observer? *anyTHING* that responds to relations (also callable: conscious) - like a ballcock, a thermostat, or even G.B.Shaw, or a microbe.
Agnostically yours John On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 2:51 PM, meekerdb <meeke...@verizon.net> wrote: > On 8/22/2011 10:56 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> If you make it a 3D-hologram of an actress, with >>> odorama and VR touchback tactile interfaces, then is it a zombie? If >>> you connect this thing up to a GPS instead of a cinematically scripted >>> liturgy and put it in an information kiosk, does it become a zombie >>> then? I don't see much of a difference. >>> >> >> Behaviorally they have no difference with human. Conceptually they are >> quite different, because they lack consciousness and any private >> experiences. >> With comp, such zombies are non sensical, or trivial. Consciousness is >> related to the abstract relations involved in the most probable computations >> leading to your actual 3-states. >> > > Hmmm. So could your actual 3-state occur in something inanimate? In other > words is the state itself dynamic or static. Static seems to be the concept > evoked by "states in a Turing machine" and "observer moments". But then the > same computations that lead to your 3-state also lead to the 3-state in > something inanimate. Are we to conclude that the inanimate thing then also > experiences that state of consciousness (although always the same one). > > Brent > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To post to this group, send email to > everything-list@googlegroups.**com<email@example.com> > . > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscribe@ > **googlegroups.com <everything-list%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/** > group/everything-list?hl=en<http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en> > . > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to firstname.lastname@example.org. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.