On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 12:18 AM, Roger Granet <roger...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> o In regard to the idea that so called "nothing" contains all
> possibilities, I don't think this is right because:
> - Let's say you have some initial spherical state X and that nothing exists
> other than that state.  There are no locations/positions other than that
> state X. Now, let's say that this state can create more identical, existent,
> spherical states all around it.   We might think that there's an infinite
> number of possible locations/positions for these new states to be formed in
> around initial state X.   But, this is incorrect because there are no
> locations/positions around the first state until *after* these new states
> are created.  Only once these new states are created are the new
> locations/positions created and only then can we say, after the fact and
> incorrectly, that these new states could have been created in any different
> position.   So, I think the idea of saying that nothing has an infinite
> number of possibilities in it is incorrect because it's really our minds
> that our putting these possibilities into this so called nothing, after the
> fact.

It is not that all possibilities come out of nothing, but that zero
information implies everything.  Here is a simple example:

Step 1:
Imagine that this one branch of the universe is all that exists.  It would
then take about 10^90 bits to describe the trajectory and position of every
particle, along with perhaps a couple of pages to describe all the physical
laws which define how those particles interact.  This is a massive amount of

Step 2:
We realize that all solutions to the equations of quantum mechanics exist.
Thus we don't need to describe the exact positions of every particle in this
particular branch of the universe.  We can throw away the massive amount of
information (10^90 bits) and simply describe the physical laws which govern
every possible physical configuration under those laws.  All solutions to
the equations (all branches in QM) exist.  We are now down to a couple of
pages of information.

Step 3:
We realize that other equations (not just those of quantum mechanics) might
exist also.  Now we can also throw away the few pages of information which
say what the laws of physics are.  Just as leaving out a description of the
particles opened up the reality for all possible solutions to the equations,
throwing out the description of the equations opens up the reality for all
possible equations.  Since we are not limiting ourselves to any one equation
or any one solution, then all solutions to all equations are the result.
This takes no information to describe.


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