On 9/22/2011 10:02 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:

I think what Bruno calls the 323 principle is questionable.## Advertising

Can I deduce from this that UDA1-7 is understood. This shows already that either theuniverse is "little" or physics is (already) a branch of computer science (even if thereis a physical universe).It doesn't comport with QM. Bruno gets around this by noting that computationally aclassical computer can emulate a quantum system. But I think that assumes an*isolated* quantum system.Why?

`Because the quantum entanglement is in principle unbounded and so it would take an`

`infinite classical computer to emulate exactly. In practice we are always satisfied with`

`good approximations. The Hilbert space has N dimensions representing the configurations`

`we calculate. We don't include an N+1st dimension to include "something else happens";`

`but it is implicitly there.`

All real quantum systems big enough to be quasi-classical systems are impossible toisolate.But then you have to assume that your brain is some infinite quantum system (but thencomp is false).

`Maybe not infinite but arbitrarily entangled with part of the universe which is finite but`

`expanding.`

So I'm afraid this pushes the substitution level all the way down.Yes, I'm afraid that will be the case.

`I tend to look at that as a reductio; but I'm not sure where the error is. I think it is`

`in not allowing that one need only *approximate* the function of the brain module the`

`doctor replaces. But the idea of digital approximation is fuzzy. The digital computation`

`itself has no fuzz.`

Brent

If it's all the way down, then as Craig notes, there's really no difference betweenemulation and duplication.But then you are, like Craig, assuming that mechanism is false. This is my point, if wewant primitive matter, comp is false. (or comp implies no primitive matter, or thefalsity of physicalism).Bruno http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ <http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/%7Emarchal/>

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