On 24 Sep 2011, at 20:56, Jason Resch wrote:

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On Sep 24, 2011, at 12:44 PM, meekerdb <meeke...@verizon.net> wrote:On 9/24/2011 12:07 AM, Jason Resch wrote:A final consideration: do you believe Pi has such a value thatwhen Euler's number is raised to the power of (2*Pi*i) the resultis 1? Pi has a value which no human has determined, as determinigit requires infinite time and memory. If only those mathematicalthings known to humans exist, then Pi's true value does not exist.I think this is questionable. One can use the value of pi,calculate with it, determine it's relation with other quantities.We can use an approximation of it's value, or a definition of how toderive it's value (given infinite time and memory), but we've neverknown or used it's value. All of it's definitions requireinfinities. If these infinities don't exist, because yourphilosophy of mathematics is constructivist, then it follows that Pidoes not exist.

`Actually, finitists, constructivists and intuitionists have not so`

`much problem with Pi, nor Euler's e and gamma, as those numbers are`

`computable real numbers, and admit clean finite definition, and`

`methods for handling them unambiguously. They have problem with the`

`non constructive notion of arbitrary real number, or with non`

`computable number. But then they have problem with any non solipistic`

`account of reality. Brouwer, the founder of intuitionism would have`

`said to his student that his philosophy makes them non existing, and`

`that he was astonished they were interested in it (I don't know if`

`this is a legend, or relate to something true).`

This short remark makes not your point non valid, to be sure. Bruno

So you can't write it's decimal expansion, how significant is that?Sure everything is questionable. But according to Rogers theory theunnown digits of Pi do not exist and/or have no definite value sinceno human has determined them.What this equation and reasoning suggests is that there can becertain values which are unknown to us. Such as the googolplexthdigit of Pi.JasonBrent --You received this message because you are subscribed to the GoogleGroups "Everything List" group.To post to this group, send email to everything-l...@googlegroups.com.To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.--You received this message because you are subscribed to the GoogleGroups "Everything List" group.To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com.To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.

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