# Re: Why is there something rather than nothing?

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On 24 Sep 2011, at 20:56, Jason Resch wrote:```
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On Sep 24, 2011, at 12:44 PM, meekerdb <meeke...@verizon.net> wrote:

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```On 9/24/2011 12:07 AM, Jason Resch wrote:
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A final consideration: do you believe Pi has such a value that when Euler's number is raised to the power of (2*Pi*i) the result is 1? Pi has a value which no human has determined, as determinig it requires infinite time and memory. If only those mathematical things known to humans exist, then Pi's true value does not exist.
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I think this is questionable. One can use the value of pi, calculate with it, determine it's relation with other quantities.
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We can use an approximation of it's value, or a definition of how to derive it's value (given infinite time and memory), but we've never known or used it's value. All of it's definitions require infinities. If these infinities don't exist, because your philosophy of mathematics is constructivist, then it follows that Pi does not exist.
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Actually, finitists, constructivists and intuitionists have not so much problem with Pi, nor Euler's e and gamma, as those numbers are computable real numbers, and admit clean finite definition, and methods for handling them unambiguously. They have problem with the non constructive notion of arbitrary real number, or with non computable number. But then they have problem with any non solipistic account of reality. Brouwer, the founder of intuitionism would have said to his student that his philosophy makes them non existing, and that he was astonished they were interested in it (I don't know if this is a legend, or relate to something true).
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This short remark makes not your point non valid, to be sure.

Bruno

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```So you can't write it's decimal expansion, how significant is that?
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Sure everything is questionable. But according to Rogers theory the unnown digits of Pi do not exist and/or have no definite value since no human has determined them.
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What this equation and reasoning suggests is that there can be certain values which are unknown to us. Such as the googolplexth digit of Pi.
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Jason

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Brent

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