2011/11/10 benjayk <benjamin.jaku...@googlemail.com>

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>
> Spudboy100 wrote:
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 11/9/2011 7:27:48 AM Eastern Standard Time,
> > benjamin.jaku...@googlemail.com writes:
> >
> > Probably  the one that is most convincing is direct experience. Try
> > meditation (my  favorite is just doing nothing while being aware not to
> > snooze or think or  search for something to do,etc...), or, if you are a
> > bit
> > more daring and  very cautious and well informed, psychdelic drugs (eg
> > Salvia, Mushrooms,  LSD, DMT) or suspend your belief that you are just a
> > person for long enough  (then the reality of unity tends to reveal itself
> > spotaneously). If you are  in the right mindset and maybe a bit lucky you
> > can
> > experience states in  which it is directly evident that there is
> > fundamentally no other, just  this consciousness that you are.
> >
> >
> > I see, Benjamin. But unless one takes these visions as a solipsism, I
> > would
> >  ask, what does this bring to the table? We humans are primates, and for
> > most of  us primates, we are group animals. We need each other even
> though
> > we
> > irritate  each other.
> What I am describing can be said to be a kind of solipsism; only I exist,
> but I being the consciousness that we all share,


I can't make a meaning of that... we do not share a "consciousness", not in
any definition of that term.


> not "I" in the sense of me
> as a person (which is usually meant when we are talking about solipsism).
> We need others as an other to our personhood, but not as an other to us as
> consciousness (which is what we really are, the person being more like
> something we dress ourselves with). Otherness is the one seeing itself from
> different perspectives.
>
>
> Spudboy100 wrote:
> >
> > At the end of the day, can one bring information, that
> > would not,  logically, be known, otherwise? For instance, that Uncle,
> > Bruno, left a  mathematical puzzle, he worked on, inscribed on page 1273,
> > in the
> > 1999 edition  of ARS MATHEMATICA, in his old, study--something like this,
> > let us  say?
> You mean in a paranormal way? There are many experiental results that
> suggest so (even though its validity is disputed, but the criticism if
> often
> not vindicated, in my opinion), and a lot of astounding anecdotes. But it
> might not work in the way we expect, in terms of consistency,
> controllability and scope.
>
> benjayk
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