On 14 Nov 2011, at 19:27, compscicrackpot wrote:

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I wasn't satisfied by the ideas I was able to derive about the universe from consciousness when assuming that they are similar phenomena, but this afternoon I attempted the reverse and found it much more fruitful.

What do you mean by "universe"? is it the physical universe, or reality?

`With mechanism, the physical universe is the border of reality, as`

`seen by internal machines. it is a projection, and appearance.`

`For "reality" we need nothing more than a universal system (in Church`

`sense). The other realities (physical, psychological, etc.) are given`

`by any universal system (like the natural number + addition and`

`multiplication) when seen from inside (first person points oif view`

`describe by arithmetical self-reference).`

What consciousness and the universe have in common is that they are logically impossible, and yet they are.

`Logically impossible? You are confusing "not necessary" with`

`"impossible". To make something impossible you have to derive a`

`contradiction.`

The universe seems logically to result from an infinite regression of causes and mechanisms and yet it simply is, undeniably,

`Like the arithmetical reality. It is not provable from lesser theory,`

`but this doesn't make it contradictory.`

what I realised is that the conscious self also results from seeming infinite regressions also, there is an infinite regression of homunculi in their cartesian theatres, and yet the homunculus in the cartesian theatre simply is. "I" is a singularity.

`Computer science gives tools to handle in a finite way the infinite`

`regressions. (Kleene's theorem)`

`The self-reference logics I am using to derive quanta and qualia from`

`arithmetic are based on such an elimination of infinite regression, as`

`they have been used in the foundation of math for eliminating`

`paradoxes involving regression due to self-reference.`

`What you call singularity here, as far as I understand you, are called`

`fixed point in computer science semantic algebra.`

`The basic key idea consists in applying a duplicator D to itself, as`

`you can easily see: if Dx gives xx (duplication), then DD gives DD.`

Bruno

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