On 11/16/2011 10:26 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 15 Nov 2011, at 20:36, spudboy...@aol.com
Outside of QTI, does anyone consider any hypothesis as 'viable' for
"immortality"? I am not sure that I mean, never dying, I think I
mean, some kind of continuation, beyond our current 'mortality" ? I
am not meaning Uploading while still alive, or brain in a vat; but
basically, an afterlife of some kind?
As I said recently, if you assume that the brain works like a (natural
and material) machine, then you are confronted with many form of
I ask, realizing, that cosmology and consciousness, do not, by
necessity, dovetail (UDA?).
I don't understand the meaning of that sentence. "Dovetailing" is just
a technic for one program to generate and execute all programs (in all
possible programming languages or universal systems). Such a program
and its execution is part of the arithmetical reality, so that if you
believe that "17 is prime" is true independently of you, you have to
believe in an infinity of your continuations, whatever happens to you
in any branches of the arithmetical reality, so you cannot avoid
immortality (independently of any physical theory). More difficult is
the question of what type of immortality is more probable, for example
with or without amnesia, with or without a ladder of intermediate
realities between "earth" and "heaven". But all such question are
mathematical question, (assuming mechanism!) and no answer to such
question are trivial. Strictly speaking we cannot answer them, because
we cannot know for sure what is our mechanist substitution level.
Intuitively, if the level is high, there are shortcut to "heaven" (the
consciousness state of the virgin UM), and if the level is low, there
might be a complex arithmetical "bardo thodol" with infinite sequence
of lives. Some form of "intermediate after life" might depend on our
ability today to convince our descendent to keep and remember and
retrieve past data so that we might be reconstituted in the future.
Other type of immortality, with (partial amnesia and universal
reminiscence) are already available today, through meditation technic
(hard and painful), or through that most amazing plant Salvia
divinorum. In that case you can know you are immortal, because
eternity becomes a sort of past experience, as paradoxical it might
look at first sight.
I must point out that this discussion of immortality seems to imply
that the mind is not subject to the limitations of the physical world.
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