On 23 Nov 2011, at 19:17, meekerdb wrote:

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On 11/23/2011 4:27 AM, Jason Resch wrote:The simulation argument: http://www.simulation-argument.com/simulation.htmlIf any civilization in this universe or others has reached thepoint where they choose to explore consciousness (rather than or inaddition to exploring their environment) then there are super-intelligences which may chooses to see what it is like to be you,or any other human, or any other species. After they generate thisexperience, they may integrate its memories into the larger super-mind, and therefore there are continuations where you "become onewith god". Alternate post-singularity civilizations may maintainindividuality, in which case, any one person choosing to experienceanother being's life will after experiencing that life "awaken" tofind themselves in a type of heaven or nirvana offering unlimitedfreedom, from which they can come back to earth or other physicalworlds as they choose (via simulation).Therefore, even for those that don't survive to see the human racebecome a trans-humanist, omega-point civilization, and for thosethat don't upload their brain, there remain paths to these otherrealities. I think this can address the eternal aging implied bymany-worlds: eventually, the probability that you survive by othermeans, e.g., waking up as a being in a post-singularity existence,exceeds the probability of continued survival through certain pathsin the wave function.JasonWhy stop there. Carrying the argument to it's natural conclusionthe above has already happened (infinitely many) times and we arenow all in the simulation of the super-intelligent beings who longago discovered that nirvana is too boring.

`Why stop there. Carrying to its logical conclusion we are already in`

`all arithmetical emulation, with oracles, right here, there and now.`

`But that *arithmetical emulation space* is highly structured, and`

`diversely structured according to the points of view.`

`You need a theory of self-reference, and using the classical (Gödelian`

`one) it is illuminating to see this, in the eyes of the universal`

`(Turing) machine, especially the one who already know (in some precise`

`weak sense) that they are universal. Smullyan's degree four of self-`

`referencial. K4 reasonner, lost in on the island of Knight and knaves,`

`why? that's the fate of universal number in arithmetic, by a theorem`

`known as Gödel diagonalization lemma.`

`Addition and multiplication entails already universal dreamers. Even`

`universally shared dreams.`

`At least that is what the 'number' (or combinators, etc.) can already`

`explain, so why not listen to them?`

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