On 12/14/2011 6:32 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote:

On Dec 13, 11:09 pm, meekerdb<meeke...@verizon.net>  wrote:
On 12/13/2011 6:13 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:

On Dec 13, 12:50 pm, meekerdb<meeke...@verizon.net>    wrote:
On 12/13/2011 4:11 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Dec 12, 11:43 pm, meekerdb<meeke...@verizon.net>      wrote:
On 12/12/2011 6:28 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
I don't think a cartoon is conscious either.  But I was just pointing out that 
"keep going
by itself" can't the be critereon since things we think are conscious don't 
keep going *by
It doesn't have to be *the* criterion but I think it's a valid
counterfactual. We have oxygen, food, water and our consciousness
keeps going, ie experiencing and generating both novelty and extending
continuity. A cartoon doesn't end because it's deprived of film or
pixels. You can provide extra blank frames which contain the same
elements, paper and ink, pixels of certain colors, etc, but no
extension of any pattern of the cartoon will occur.
What is your criterion for thinking that a cartoon isn't conscious?
It doesn't take information from it's environment, learn, and act on the 
Why not? Wile E. Coyote sees the Road Runner, he tries various
strategies to kill him, and he learns that they don't work so he
doesn't repeat himself.
You're confusing characters a cartoon with the cartoon.
No, I'm not. Either way it's the same. Cartoon characters appear to us
to take information, learn, and act on their environment. What does
the term we use to describe that appearance matter?


It matters in that the cartoon is patterns on a piece of film whose environment 
is our world.


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