On 02 Jan 2012, at 16:01, John Clark wrote:
On Sat, Dec 31, 2011 at 2:27 PM, meekerdb <meeke...@verizon.net>
> while a brain is an organ of intelligence/consciousness it needs a
Information needs to be embodied in atoms if that information is to
evolve and without change there is no mind; but atoms are generic,
there are no scratches on them to give them individuality so one
atom of hydrogen is as good as another as far as information is
> and an environment in which to perceive and act in order to be
And the environment the mind perceives can be made of atoms, or it
can be a virtual environment and if it was good enough the mind
could not tell the difference. Indeed some say (I'm a agnostic on
the issue) that we already live in a computer simulation and seeing
the quantum nature of matter if we look closely enough is like
looking too close to a TV and seeing the individual pixels. And
Black Holes are a mistake where the God/Programer tried to divide by
If we are digitalizable machine, there is a deductive argument showing
that the physical laws are the way the universal machine reflect on
each others. This reduce the mind-body problem to the problem of
deriving the physical laws from number theory.
The theory of mind becomes "simple", it is basically computer science
and mathematical logic. But the body appears more mysterious, and we
have to justify their coherence by the arithmetical self-observation.
This makes also mechanism testable, by comparing the arithmetical
physical laws based on self-reference and the laws inferred from the
The math distinguish the important difference between computer science
(the truth about computer) and computer's computer science (by Gödel
1931 & Co.). This introduces many unavoidable intensional (modal) ways
of viewing arithmetic from "inside". There is a mega Skolem
phenomenon. Arithmetical truth, although already big is a tiny
infinitesimal compared to the first person "plenitude". Inside is
It leads to an arithmetical interpretation of Plotinus, and
illustrate, at the least, that science has not decided between
Aristotle theology and Plato theology. Christians, and their Atheists
variants, believe in the God "Matter", where the (neo)Platonists are
open to the idea that Matter (what we see/observe) is the shadow, or
the border, or the projection of something else.
I'm not saying anything like that is true and I'm not saying it's
not, but it might make a good science fiction story.
Reality is beyond fiction.
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