On Fri, Jan 13, 2012  meekerdb <meeke...@verizon.net> wrote:

>  >>  There is no way consciousness can have a direct Darwinian advantage
> so it must be a byproduct of something that does have that virtue, and the
> obvious candidate is intelligence.\
>
>
>
> That's not so clear since we don't know exactly what is the relation of
> consciousness to intelligence.  For a social animal having an internal
> model of ones self and being able to model the thought processes of others
> has obvious reproductive advantage.
>

To do any one of the things you suggest would require intelligence, and
indeed there is some evidence that in general social animals tend to have a
larger brain than similar species that are not social. But at any rate we
both seem to agree that Evolution can only see behavior, so consciousness
must be a byproduct of some sort of complex behavior. Thus the Turing Test
must be valid not only for intelligence but for consciousness too.

  John K Clark

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