On 15 Jan 2012, at 18:14, John Clark wrote:

On Sat, Jan 14, 2012 at 1:56 PM, Stephen P. King <stephe...@charter.net > wrote:
> How would you generalize the Turing Test for consciousness?

By doing the exact same thing we do when we evaluate our fellow human beings, assume that there is a direct link between intelligent behavior and consciousness.

I agree with this. But we cannot test directly consciousness and intelligence. We can measure and evaluate competence, but it is domain dependent, and unrelated to intelligence and consciousness. Local zombie *can* exist. Any intelligent or conscious behavior can be ascribed to something not conscious, for a short period of time.

When one of our fellow creatures is drowsy they don't behave very intelligently and we assume they are less conscious than they were when they where taking a calculus exam. And when they are in a deep sleep, under anesthesia, or dead they behave even less intelligently and we assume (even though there is no proof) that their consciousness is similarly effected.

With comp we can show that consciousness is never effected, but the relative manifestation of consciousness can be effected. Again, this is counter-intuitive. The brain seems gifted in making us believe in unconsciousness, but that is an illusion bring by dissociative subroutine, or even chemicals. It is weird, and I doubt it to be true, but with comp, consciousness is an inescapable prison. You can hope only for relative amnesia.



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