On Feb 14, 10:01 pm, Craig Weinberg <whatsons...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Feb 14, 10:37 am, 1Z <peterdjo...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > On Feb 12, 2:22 pm, Craig Weinberg <whatsons...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > That's what being dumb is - not being able to figure out how to do
> > > anything else than what you already do.
> > Then no AI is fully dumb, since all are adaptive to some extent.
> It doesn't adapt intentionally,

You know it doens't? You know we do?

> it is programmed to imitate
> adaptation. In a sense it's not fully dumb, but it's the trivial sense
> of dumb. In the deeper sense, it literally devoid of understanding or
> awareness.

You know that?

> > > Intelligence is the ability to
> > > make sense of any given context
> > "Any"? Then no human is fully intelligent.
> Right. We have no intelligence in contexts which we can't make sense
> of. We could be as dumb as computers are relative to some higher
> sentience.
> > > and to potentially transcend it, which
> > > is why it can't be programmed or simulated (but it can be imitated
> > > trivially for specific functions). If it weren't that way we would not
> > > be having this discussion.
> > That we are having this discussion does not prove we
> > are infinitely adaptable, as your definition "intelligent" requires.
> We're not infinitely adaptable nor even is intelligence infinitely
> adaptable,

So you didn;t mean "any"?

> but sense is. Even non-sense is a kind of sense.


>That we
> are having this discussion proves only that we have the potential to
> transcend our own programming.

AIs can transcend their programming by following
their programming-transcending programming.

> Machines don't gather together while we
> aren't watching and try to improve their programming.

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