Does nothing mean zero or the empty set in this thread?
Ronald

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On May 5, 2:52 am, Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be> wrote:
> On 04 May 2012, at 17:48, John Clark wrote:
>
>
>
> > > If the nothing of a vacuum is really full of potentials,
>
> > If you insist on the strictest definition of "nothing" which is not
> > even the potential of producing anything, then even God Himself
> > could not produce something from nothing; and this line of thought
> > is quite clearly leading precisely nowhere.
>
> At the meta level of a theory, "nothing" and "everything" are
> basically equivalent with respect to the difficulty to be define them.
> In set theory, everything (the "universe" of set) is given by the
> unary intersection of the empty set, for example. And the quantum
> vacuum, needs the whole non trivial assumption of quantum mechanics.
> The "no" and the "every" in "nothing and everything" depend on the
> logical assumptions. The real difficulty is in the definition or
> choice of the notion of "things".
>
> Bruno
>
> http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/
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