On 5/9/2012 3:34 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote:
2012/5/9 meekerdb <meeke...@verizon.net <mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>>
On 5/9/2012 2:19 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote:
1- If someone is threatening me via my senses (via a weapons he holds,
forces he acts upon me... I still have free will, I've still the
choose, some choices are more dangerous, I'm coerced to choose what the
wants, but still have the possibility to act otherwise upon my will.
But if you do decide to comply determinism would say there wasn't a
could have done otherwise. The other agent was compelling.
2- If someone is using chemical or electrical agent modifying my brain
having me acting like a puppet, I don't have free will, I don't have
possibility to act otherwise.
But is it really different? The words spoken to you also modify your brain
It's not 'acting like a puppet' because it changes your mind as well as
action, you still think you're making a choice - it's not that the external
just drives the efferent nerves to your muscles.
Well it's not an off/on switch... so it depends. I'd say that while you can still think
for yourself, then you still have some amount of free will... less and less free while
more and more coerced.
Unless there is only one choice left (strange to still called that a choice).. there
still some amount of free will.
Because in reality... the world if full of coercions, social, geographical etc... so
either the stance is there is no free will because there is always something that limit
the availables choices hence the choice itself is not free because it is constrained or
until there is no more choices, some amount of free will/self determination is present.
I agree. There's no sharp line between coerced and free choice. In legal cases it's
something for juries to decide. So 'free will' is mainly a social concept meaning 'not
unduly influenced and therefore responsible'.
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