On May 13, 11:46 am, R AM <ramra...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 3:27 PM, Craig Weinberg <whatsons...@gmail.com>wrote:
> > What would be the point of learning though? What would be the
> > difference between any one outcome and any other one if decision
> > making were determined? It is only because of our own experience of
> > free will that we can project some significance of any particular
> > outcome.
> Maybe it is because of the significance of outcomes that we believe to have
> free will.

That assumes a possibility of significance without it. I don't think
that can be supported.

> > Evolution doesn't care how species mutate or whether
> > individuals survive, why should the individuals themselves care
> > either?
> Because individuals that care about outcomes survive?

Only if they translate that care into behavior using their free will.
Without free will, care is meaningless to survival.

> > Only if we program them to act like they are doing that. They never
> > would learn anything on their own.
> The fact is that learning is possible in a deterministic universe.

Even if it were possible, learning would be irrelevant in a
deterministic universe.


> > > The point is not changing future outcomes. In fact we don't know what
> > that
> > > outcome will be. The point is obtaining good outcomes.
> > Without the existence of free will as a given, there can be no "good".
>  There is no problem in having good and bad outcomes in a deterministic
> universe.

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