On May 16, 2:39 am, Stathis Papaioannou <stath...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 1:28 AM, Craig Weinberg <whatsons...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> But a deterministic world, if rich enough to add and multiply, and > >> thus to contain universal internal observers, leads already to > >> indeterminist first person realities (even without comp, although it > >> is simpler to use comp to justify this). > > > If a wave washes one pile of sand onto another, thereby 'adding' them > > together, why does that generate universal internal observers? > > I don't think you understood Bruno's original point, which was that > indeterminism (i.e. true randomness) emerges as a first person > phenomenon in a deterministic multiverse. There's no valid argument > that indeterminism is required for consciousness or decision-making, > but even if it were so, a rich enough deterministic world can still > provide it.
I don't think you understand what I understand. Of course the limitation of the 1p view excludes information relative to a 3p view, but the reverse is true as well. Indeterminism emerges as a third person phenomenon in that subjective privacy cannot be experienced through it. Determinism emerges as both a first and third person phenomenon in the form of sense. Motive or will (or 'energy' in third person') emerges as an orthogonal category relative to determinism; self-determination, which is the impulse and capacity to make the indetermined determined. 'I am become will, the collapser of wave functions.' Craig Craig -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to firstname.lastname@example.org. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.