On May 17, 7:57 am, Quentin Anciaux <allco...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > That's true, but they don't care whether they output or not. It's not > > driven by their own intention. They won't EVER discover a printer that > > is sitting right next to them without having drivers loaded and > > configured to even connect. > > Your unique argument against a program being able to be conscious (as > conscious as a human can be) is to take a non-conscious program and to say > "see it's not conscious"... well yes it is not, that doesn't mean no > program can be.
Yes, in a sense that's true, but since the only example of something conscious we have is ourselves, the alternative is to take a non- conscious program and say "there's no reason that some future version of it can't be just like me eventually. The former makes more sense to me. It's not only that logic that makes me suspect the former is the case though. There seems to be a specific, glaring lack of sentience in all machines that does not reduce in the slightest even as machines scale up exponentially in complexity. No byte has ever done anything by itself, and I don't see why it ever would. I only bring up the shortcomings of machines and programs because that's the only common sense examples I can really use, but that's just the tip of the iceberg. I am trying to use that common sense as a lever to open you up the deeper understanding that I have about how intention arises from within matter and cannot be transplanted from the outside as with a computer. It's not a matter of Luddite neophobia at all, believe me I am a transhumanist to the core, I just think we are not going to get there without water, sugar, protein, lipids, etc. Craig -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to firstname.lastname@example.org. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.