On Tue, May 22, 2012 Craig Weinberg <whatsons...@gmail.com> wrote: >> Nominated for a reason or nominated for no reason. >> > > > Wrong. I am doing the nominating.
You are doing the nominating for a reason or you are doing the nominating for no reason. > > I have many reasons Then you are deterministic. Many reasons do not make something less deterministic, it just makes it more complex; but if there were NO reasons then things really would be different, then things would be random. > I can create a new course of action And you created that new course of action for a reason (or reasons) in which case it was deterministic, OR you created that new course of action for no reason, not even one, in which case your action was random. > > which cannot be reduced to 'for a reason or no reason'. > There is only one thing that can not be reduced to X or not X, gibberish. > When you say "I want to do some things and don't want to do other things" > how > is that not free will? So, you demand to know what the reason was that caused me to write what I did. If I said I wrote that for no reason at all then I am certain you would interpret that as a admission that I had lost the argument. But you are a fan of the "free will" noise so I don't understand why me saying I had no reason for doing something would not satisfy you. However I personally think it's bad form to write things for no reason, and so as it happens I did have a reason for writing what I wrote. The word "will" is not logically contradictory because I want to do something for a reason OR I want to do something for no reason. In "free will" I don't want to do something for a reason AND I don't want to do something for no reason; and that's what makes the "free will" noise triple distilled extra virgin 100% pure GIBBERISH. So the reason that caused my writing to differentiate between "will" and "free will" is that one is gibberish and the other is not. > You can argue that this feeling of wanting to do things is an illusion I honestly don't know what to make of that. In the first place illusion is a perfectly real subjective phenomena and in the second place it's true, we really do want to do some things and not do other things. > > but that leaves the problem of what would be the point of such a feeling > to exist in the universe that is purely deterministic. > If the universe determines that my life has no meaning then the universe can kiss my ass because the universe is not in the meaning conveying business, intelligence is. A cloud of hydrogen gas a billion light years away can not give meaning to me but I can give meaning to it, and if the universe doesn't like that fact the universe can lump it. > > We interpret and execute the law Here we go again. We interpret and execute the law for a reason or we interpret and execute the law for no reason. > There are laws we are compelled to observe and preserve Then we are deterministic. > but the way we choose to do that [...] We choose the way we do that (and it does not matter what "that" is) for a reason or we choose the way we do that for no reason. John K Clark -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.
