ROGER:  Perhaps I am wrong, but I have a problem with the concept of artificial 
intelligence and hence artificial life-- 
at least according to my understanding of what intelligence is. 

As I see it, intelligence is the ability to make choices completely on one's 
own. Autonomously. 

Thus intelligence is simply self-determination of some issue. By 
self-determination I don't mean 
free will, athough that might be a possibility.The "self" could use anything in 
(including current perceptions or awareness) or even anything ever thought of. 
Darwin tells us that such
 choices must be mostly appropriate choices, but sometimes they might occur 
mistakenly, sometimes irrationally,
or deceptively. That is, to lie, deception being quite common in nature. 
But a computer program can only make choices that the programmer previously 

BRENT: First, that's not true. Computer programs can learn from experience and 
by communication - 
which is they way you learn. 

ROGER: Very good point, I had not thought of that, so thanks, sounds like 
you're right. I need to ruminate on this.

BRENT: Second, evolution supplied you with a brain with certain built-in 
such as learning a language and falling love with the opposite sex. Does that 
deprive you of self-determination? 
Can you decide to be someone you aren't? Brent 

ROGER: Another very good point I had not thought about and you seem to be 
correct. So thanks again. 
Again, I need to think more on this. I'll put the rest in brackets and italics 
as they are now uncertain comments.

[ ROGER: So in effect the choices are made by the computer programmer, The 
programmer is the puppet master.. 
But such a programmed "robot" cannot be conscious, for there is no self to be 
aware. There is only the presence of 
electrical signals, which are objective, but no subjectivity. 
Thus one might "simulate" life, but one can never create life in a computer. 
Materialism has the same fatal defect, for it is completely objective, and so 
cannot have a self, 
which is subjective, to be aware. ]

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Roger ,
8/7/2012 Is life a cause/effect activity  ?
If so, what is the cause agent ?

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