Roger,

According to string theory, the monad or Calabi-Yau compact particles are
hardware.
Richard

On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 10:21 AM, Roger <rclo...@verizon.net> wrote:

>
>  BRUNO: I meant that some fixed hardware computer can emulate a virtual
> self-modifying version of itself, so that your point is not valid.
>
> ROGER: What point ?  And emulate in what sense ? Ie could a computer ever
> be a good wine taster ?
>
> BRUNO: If not you introduce a notion of living matter leading to an
> infinite regression.
>
> ROGER: Infinite regression of what ? Consciousness  ? The monad does away
> with that problem,
> except of course it's just philosophy, not hardware.
>
> BRUNO: It might have a solution, but it begs the question of
> comp/non-comp, and you are just saying
> (without arguing) that machines cannot think, and that souls are
> substantial actual infinities.
>
> ROGER: I think I said and believe what you said I said, but I don't
> understand your main point
> just above, even vaguely. At any rate, emulation is not the real thing.
>
>
>
> Roger , rclo...@verizon.net
> 8/16/2012
> Leibniz would say, "If there's no God, we'd have to invent him so
> everything could function."
>
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> *Time:* 2012-08-15, 03:53:59
> *Subject:* Re: Definitions of intelligence possibly useful to
> computersinAIordescribing life
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>
>  On 14 Aug 2012, at 17:47, Roger wrote:
>
>  Hi Bruno Marchal
>
> You say, "a non living computer can supported a living self-developing
> life form"
>
> Do you mean support instead of supported ? Or what do you mean ?
>
>
> I mean "support". Sorry.
> I meant that some fixed hardware computer can emulate a virtual
> self-modifying version of itself, so that your point is not valid.
> If not you introduce a notion of living matter leading to an infinite
> regression. It might have a solution, but it beg the question of
> comp/non-comp, and you are just saying (without arguing) that machines
> cannot think, and that souls are substantial actual infinities.
>
> Bruno
>
>
>
>
>
> Roger , rclo...@verizon.net
> 8/14/2012
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> *Time:* 2012-08-12, 05:17:45
> *Subject:* Re: Definitions of intelligence possibly useful to computers
> inAIordescribing life
>
>
>  On 11 Aug 2012, at 13:07, Roger wrote:
>
>  Hi Russell Standish
>
> When I "gave in" to the AI point of view that computers can posess
> intelligence,
> I had overlooked the world of experience, which is not quantitative. Only
> living things can experience the world.
>
>
>
> You are right. But a non living computer can supported a living
> self-developing life form, unless you postulate that infinitely complex
> substances are at play in the mind.
>
> Bruno
>
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