Back to the language-misunderstandings!
 *"There is a problem"* does it mean *NOT HERE*, but *THERE* do I see the
problem, or rather (as I do guess):
- *a problem exists* - ?????
German is not English. "*Das DASEIN*" is not  the infinitive with a local
monitor,:( "da sein")  rather a composite *NOUN.
*
John M
On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 6:00 PM, Roger <rclo...@verizon.net> wrote:

>  Hi John Mikes
>
> I think Heidegger simply made up a new word for his purposes, where
> since da=there,
> and sein = being, then dasein is in Heideggers glossary "being there.
>
>
> Roger , rclo...@verizon.net
> 8/17/2012
> Leibniz would say, "If there's no God, we'd have to invent him so
> everything could function."
>
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> *Time:* 2012-08-17, 16:10:53
> *Subject:* Re: Dasein
>
>   Bruno,
> I admire your perseverence and also of others keeping pace of Roger's
> incredible flood of posts. I confess to have fallen out if not by other
> reasons: lack of time to read (not to mention: comprehend) all that
> 'wisdom' he includes into this list over the past week or so.
> �
> One remark - and I am not so sure about being right: "DASEIN" in my
> (almost mothertongue German)爉ay not reflect the "DA" = *there* plus
> "SEIN" *to be*, rather (- and again I hide behind my second 'almost' of
> half century in the US:)� - - �*"THE EXISTENCE"*.
> �
> I feel Heidegger (whom I did not study) does not imply a spacial, or
> locational momentum by using 'Dasein' for a simple 'Sein'. He might have in
> mind the difference between the 爀xisting爒s. the not existing. It also has a
> rythmical ease vs. a short 'sein' what the English put by the 'to' and the
> French in a longer 1.5-syllable(?) <e">tre.
> �
> JohnM
>
>
> �
>  On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 5:19 AM, Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be> wrote:
>
>>
>>  On 15 Aug 2012, at 15:13, Roger wrote:
>>
>>
>> Heidegger tried to express the point I tried to make below
>> by using the word "dasein".� "Being there ".
>> Not merely describing a topic or item, but seeing the
>> world from its point of view. Being inside it. Being there.
>>
>>
>>
>> I agree. This is what I call the first person point of view, and if you
>> read the UDA proof, you will see that it is a key notion.�
>> Then in the technical part I explain that the first person view of a
>> machine, is NOT a machine, and cannot even been describe in term of
>> machine, or in any third person objective term.
>>
>>
>>
>>  �
>> �
>>
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> �
>> �
>> Hi Bruno Marchal
>> �
>> This is hard to put into words. No offense, and I may be wrong, but you
>> seem to speak of the world and mind
>> as objects.� But like a coin, I believe they have a flip side, the world
>> and mind as we live them,
>> not as objects but as subjects. Entirely different worlds.
>>
>>
>> The person are subject. OK. The mind or spirit are too general term, with
>> objective and subjective property.�
>>
>>
>>
>>   �
>> It is as if you talk about swimming in the water without actually diving
>> in.�
>> �
>> Or treating a meal as that which is on the menu, but爊ot actually eating
>> it.
>>
>>
>> But you are doing that very mistake with machine. You reduce them to
>> their appearance instead of listening to what they say, and more
>> importantly to what they stay mute about. More on this later, but please
>> read the papers as it shows that we are deadly wrong in theology since more
>> than 1500 years, with or without comp. And with comp, the physical reality
>> is a non computational appearance obeying very precise law that we can
>> test. So my main point is that comp is a testable theory.
>>
>> Bruno
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>  �
>> �
>> Roger , rclo...@verizon.net
>> 8/15/2012
>> Leibniz would say, "If there's no God, we'd have to invent him so
>> everything could function."
>>
>>
>> �
>>
>>  http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/
>>
>>
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