Hi Stephen P. King 

Yes, what a mess. 

Crap happens and then you die. How's that for an agenda ?

That's why Christians pray and both love and fear God (reverence).

Which was Leibniz's motivation for optimisticallhy surmising
that although crap must happen because the world must be contingent 
(because it is a world of facts (Aristotle), 
not necessary reason (Plato)), a good God (which God is)
would (ought to) create the the best possible world.

That is, facts or "is" (Aristotle) aiming for
necessary reason, certainty) Plato, thus

Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net
Leibniz would say, "If there's no God, we'd have to invent him so everything 
could function."
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From: Stephen P. King 
Receiver: everything-list 
Time: 2012-08-20, 12:22:10
Subject: Re: Godel and Leibniz's contingent world

On 8/20/2012 7:04 AM, Roger wrote:

Hi Stephen P. King 
Ah so.? I can point leibniz's critics to Godel.
And to the contingency of the world. What did you expect ? 
A rose garden ?
Leibniz sort of sensed Godel's theorem ?y his recognition that while things 
must be perfect in Heaven,
down here things were contingent, iffy, troublesome, imperfectly fitting and 
imperfect in the small,
but optimal in the large. 
There were reaslons behind each event, but they needn't entirely jibe with
one another. And even the reasons were mutually contingent. What a mess.

Hi Roger,

?? I agree with your remarks here 100%!




"Nature, to be commanded, must be obeyed." 
~ Francis Bacon

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