Hi John Clark What I find curious about atheists is that because one can prove neither that there is a god or not, both theism and atheism must rely on faith-- that their position is true.
Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 9/9/2012 Leibniz would say, "If there's no God, we'd have to invent him so that everything could function." ----- Receiving the following content ----- From: John Clark Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-09-08, 12:12:28 Subject: Re: The poverty of computers On Fri, Sep 7, 2012 at 11:43 PM, Jason Resch <jasonre...@gmail.com> wrote: > Bruno makes a valid point, that you attack only the weakest, most ill > conceived, notion(s) of God. It is my habit to attack only the weakest parts of ideas, attacking the strongest parts seems rather counterproductive because they may actually be true. > Perhaps you have never bothered to investigate deeply the true claims of > various religions. I've had 13 years of formal religious training. How much have you had? > Judaism: God is an absolute one indivisible incomparable being who is the ultimate cause of all existence. Now that is a excellent definition of God, and a jolly fat man who delivers presents to all the children of the world on Christmas eve is a excellent definition of Santa Claus. I don't believe either of them exist. > Christianity: The book of John begins: "In the beginning was the ???, and the ??? was with God, and the ??? was God." The following sentence has identical informational content: "in the beginning was stuff, and the stuff was with stuff, and stuff was stuff". Funny ASCII characters do not make things more profound. > Philo of Alexandria, a Jewish of the first-century, taught that the logos was > both the agent of creation and the agent through which the human mind can > apprehend and comprehend God. This human mind can not comprehend God, so I guess God does not exist. > "To all of us who hold the Christian belief that God is truth" Only a fool would say truth does not exist so with that definition God certainly exists. This is a excellent example of something I mentioned before, somebody willing to abandon the idea of God but not the word "G-O-D". > "Geometry existed before the creation; is co-eternal with the mind of God; is God himself" -- Johannes Kepler Yet another example of the same thing because Geometry certainly exists. > In the Bhagavad Gita, “You are the Supreme Brahman A Brahman is a subset of beings and if there are a finite number of beings in the universe then logically there is a supreme being, but that doesn't mean he had anything to do with creating the Universe or us. In fact the supreme being could be working right now at The Institute for Advanced Study in Princeton New Jersey and in the morning he puts his pants on one leg at a time just like I do. > the greatest. I believe Muhammad Ali exists. > In the Sri Brahma-samhita, the indivisible, infinite, limitless, truth. Yet more people interested in words but not ideas. > “I would say with those who say ‘God is Love’, God is Love. But deep down in > me I used to say that though God may be Love, God is Truth above all. And more. > I have come to the conclusion that God is Truth. And more. > God alone is and nothing else exists Something certainly exists so God exists. Do you really think this sort of crap is deep? > It may be easy to dismiss some people's definitions of God I don't dismiss definitions I just want to know what the hell people are talking about. You can define God as the thing you use to brush your teeth if you like, and if so then I believe in God. > the scientific consensus is that infinite (mathematical) truth is the > self-existent cause and reason for our existence. There is no scientific consensus that the Universe needs infinity to operate, but let's assume that it does; it doesn't take a genius to see where this sort of word play is leading, "God is infinity". The integers are infinite and they exist so God is the integer numbers. And this is wonderful news for people who just want to say "I believe in God" but don't care what "God" means, they just want to be able to say the words. > you might easily have missed some of the deeper meanings of God I guess I have missed them, you should have mentioned some of those deeper meanings of God in your post. John K Clark -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.
