On Tuesday, September 25, 2012 3:02:05 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote:
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> On 24 Sep 2012, at 18:16, Craig Weinberg wrote:
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> On Monday, September 24, 2012 5:13:11 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote:
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>> On 23 Sep 2012, at 20:11, Craig Weinberg wrote: 
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>> > On Sunday, September 23, 2012 11:28:49 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: 
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>> > On 23 Sep 2012, at 15:05, Roger Clough wrote: 
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>> > > Hi Evgenii Rudnyi 
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>> > > Phenomena are the how physical processes appear to our senses. 
>> > > So they are appearances, not the processes themselves. 
>> > > But scientific experiments and measurements are not 
>> > > made on the appearances, they are made on the 
>> > > processes. Thus the appearences areor [phenomena 
>> > > are said to be "well-grounded"  in the processes themselves. 
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>> > > Kant spelled this out in great detail,  calling "noumena" the 
>> > > actual physical process which we cannot reach by our senses, 
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>> > And which does not exist, at least not in the sense that they cause 
>> > our senses. 
>> > This is the most counter-intuitive aspect of comp, as the physical 
>> > process are projection on the conditions making the dream coherent. 
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>> > Why does comp want coherent dreams? 
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>> Coherent dreams are reasonable data. 
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> Why does comp want reasonable data?
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> Comp does not want them. We have them. They are what *we* want to explain. 
> Comp is just the working hypothesis.
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It's circular though. Why do we have them? 

Comp is your working hypothesis, not mine :)

Craig 


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>> existence (easy, with comp),  and their relative measure (hard). 
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>> Bruno 
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