Hi Stephen P. King
I suppose AGI would be the Holy Grail of artificial intelligence,
but I fear that only the computer can know that it has
actually achieved it, for intelligence is subjective.
Not that computers can't in principle be subjective,
but that subjectivity (Firstness) can never be made public ,
only descriptions of it (Thirdness) can be made public.
Firstness is the raw experience. The object or event as privately experienced.
Unprovable. Since AGI is Firstness, it is not proveable.
Thirdness is a description of that experience. The public expression of that
private experience.
Proveable yes or no.
Roger Clough, [email protected]
10/9/2012
"Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen
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From: Stephen P. King
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Time: 2012-10-08, 14:22:20
Subject: Re: The real reasons we don?_have_AGI_yet
On 10/8/2012 1:13 PM, Richard Ruquist wrote:
except from
The real reasons we don? have AGI yet
A response to David Deutsch? recent article on AGI
October 8, 2012 by Ben Goertzel
So in this view, the main missing ingredient in AGI so far is
?ognitive synergy?: the fitting-together of different intelligent
components into an appropriate cognitive architecture, in such a way
that the components richly and dynamically support and assist each
other, interrelating very closely in a similar manner to the
components of the brain or body and thus giving rise to appropriate
emergent structures and dynamics.
The reason this sort of intimate integration has not yet been explored
much is that it? difficult on multiple levels, requiring the design
of an architecture and its component algorithms with a view toward the
structures and dynamics that will arise in the system once it is
coupled with an appropriate environment. Typically, the AI algorithms
and structures corresponding to different cognitive functions have
been developed based on divergent theoretical principles, by disparate
communities of researchers, and have been tuned for effective
performance on different tasks in different environments.
Making such diverse components work together in a truly synergetic and
cooperative way is a tall order, yet my own suspicion is that this ?
rather than some particular algorithm, structure or architectural
principle ? is the ?ecret sauce? needed to create human-level AGI
based on technologies available today.
Achieving this sort of cognitive-synergetic integration of AGI
components is the focus of the OpenCog AGI project that I co-founded
several years ago. We?e a long way from human adult level AGI yet,
but we have a detailed design and codebase and roadmap for getting
there. Wish us luck!
Hi Richard,
?? My suspicion is that what is needed here, if we can put on our programmer
hats, is the programer's version of a BEC, Bose-Einstein Condensate, where
every "part" is an integrated reflection of the whole. My own idea is that some
form of algebraic and/or topological closure is required to achieve this as
inspired by the Brouwer Fixed point theorem.
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Onward!
Stephen
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