On 10/20/2012 10:33 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 20 Oct 2012, at 14:04, Roger Clough wrote:
Hi Bruno Marchal
This is also where I run into trouble with the p-zombie
definition of what a zombie is. It has no mind
but it can still behave just as a real person would.
But that assumes, as the materialists do, that the mind
has no necessary function. Which is nonsense, at least
to a realist.
Thus Dennett claims that a real candidate person
does not need to have a mind. But that's in his
definition of what a real person is. That's circular logic.
I agree with you on this.
Dennett is always on the verge of eliminativism. That is deeply wrong.
Now, if you want eliminate the zombie, and keep comp, you have to
eventually associate the mind to the logico-arithmetical relations
defining a computation relative to a universal number, and then a
reasoning explains where the laws of physics comes from (the number's
This leads also to the arithmetical understanding of Plotinus, and of
all those rare people aware of both the importance of staying rational
on those issue, *and* open minded on, if not aware of, the existence
of consciousness and altered consciousness states.
It seems, from this post that you do support some form of
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