Hi Stathis,

Sorry, my previous email was accidentally sent too early. 

You said that if a candidate person behaves as if he
has a mind, then he does. 

That may be OK, but if a person does NOT have a mind,
( is a zombie), then my position is that in fact he 
cannot behave as one with a mind would.

For example, he could not converse with you.
He could not tell you where or when he was born,
because having no mind, he has no memory,
and cannot understand language at all.

So the p-zombie definition is an impossibility,
and it is a strawman argument, to begin with.


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From: Stathis Papaioannou 
Receiver: everything-list 
Time: 2012-10-21, 03:37:19 
Subject: Re: The circular logic of Dennett and other materialists 


On Sat, Oct 20, 2012 at 11:04 PM, Roger Clough wrote: 
> Hi Bruno Marchal 
> 
> This is also where I run into trouble with the p-zombie 
> definition of what a zombie is. It has no mind 
> but it can still behave just as a real person would. 
> 
> But that assumes, as the materialists do, that the mind 
> has no necessary function. Which is nonsense, at least 
> to a realist. 
> 
> Thus Dennett claims that a real candidate person 
> does not need to have a mind. But that's in his 
> definition of what a real person is. That's circular logic. 

Not really, he claims that zombies do not exist and if an entity 
(human, computer, whatever) behaves as if it has a mind, then it does 
have a mind. 


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