Hi Richard Ruquist  

Thank you, but monads are not extended in space,
they are mental and so inextended.


Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 
10/26/2012  
"Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen 


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Time: 2012-10-26, 08:08:44 
Subject: Re: Re: Compact dimensions and orthogonality 


No Roger, 

In string theory dimensions are conserved but can undergo extreme 
modification such as in compactification where formerly orthogonal 
dimensions become embedded in 3D space in spite of what Brent thinks. 
However, the string theory monads that result from compactification 
have many of the properties that you ascribe to unextended realms. 
Because of BEC and instant mapping effects, the entire collection of 
monads in the universe may behave as though the existed at a single 
point despite being extended. 
Richard 

On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 7:56 AM, Roger Clough  wrote: 
> Hi Richard, 
> 
> Is there some way, such as reducing the dimensions of 
> strings to zero, that one can transverse from the world 
> of extension (the physical world) to that of inextended 
> experience or theory? 
> 
> 
> Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 
> 10/26/2012 
> "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen 
> 
> 
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> Time: 2012-10-25, 14:23:04 
> Subject: Re: Compact dimensions and orthogonality 
> 
> 
> On 10/25/2012 10:49 AM, Richard Ruquist wrote: 
>> On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 1:43 PM, Stephen P. King wrote: 
>>> On 10/25/2012 11:52 AM, meekerdb wrote: 
>>> 
>>> On 10/25/2012 4:58 AM, Richard Ruquist wrote: 
>>> 
>>> Stephan, 
>>> 
>>> Since yesterday it occurred to me that you may be thinking of the 10 
>>> or more dimensions of string theory as being orthogonal because they 
>>> were so before the big bang. But the dimensions that 
>>> curled-up/compactified went out of orthogonality during the big bang 
>>> according to Cumrun Vafa. I'll look up that reference if you are 
>>> interested. 
>>> 
>>> According to Vafa 2 dimensions compactified for every single space 
>>> dimension that inflated. In over simplified terms, 2 dimensions 
>>> (actually in strips of some 10,000 Planck lengths) to be compactified 
>>> lined up say in the east-west space dimension so that space in an 
>>> orthogonal direction could expand. So some semblance of orthogonality 
>>> exists in the compactification process, but it is clear that the 
>>> compactified dimensions become embedded in 3D space for inflation to 
>>> occur. 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> It's implicit in the definition of dimensions of a Riemannian manifold that 
>>> there are as many orthogonal directions as dimensions. Compactified 
>>> dimensions are just small; they're small, not infinite, because they have 
>>> closed topology. That property is completely independent of having 
>>> orthogonal directions. 
>>> 
>>> Brent 
>>> 
>>> Dear Brent, 
>>> 
>>> Compactness and orthogonality are not the same quantities. Yes. But my 
>>> point is that the compact structures in string theories (super or not) are 
>>> orthogonal to the dimensions of space-time. Maybe we need all take a 
>>> remedial math class on linear algebra and geometry! 
>> I am still waiting for the explanation of how you know that to be true- 
>> that the compact manifolds are orthogonal to space dimensions. 
>> Richard 
> 
> If they weren't orthogonal then a vector on them could be represented by by a 
> linear 
> combinations of vectors in 3-space - and then they wouldn't provide the 
> additional degrees 
> of freedom to describe particles and fields. They'd just be part of 3-space. 
> 
> Brent 
> 
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