On Tuesday, November 6, 2012 8:32:27 AM UTC-5, rclough wrote:
> Physics thus tells us that a falling tree will make 
> a sound even if nobody is there to witness the event. 

Just the opposite. Physics tells us that sound is an experience for 
subjects who have some kind of ear. Without that, there is only a recurring 
change in the position of bodies (vibration), which requires that there be 
bodies which can detect that this change is occurring. There doesn't need 
to be a human witness unless by 'make a sound' we mean an experience 
interpreted with human qualities of sound discernment and sensitivity.

> Because existence then is independent of mind 
> (the realist position), 

But it is not independent of experience.

> This also refutes Berkeley's 
> position that things exist because we perceive them. 

Yes, Berkeley didn't take it far enough and realize that perception was the 
sole universal principle, and not just a human privilege.

> Those are the complaints of the far left. 
They hate everything that has authority or power.

I think that the far left would argue that they do not hate powerful 
authorities like Gandhi, Martin Luther King, Nelson Mandela, the Dalai 
Lama, etc. You know, leaders who rise to positions of adoration without 
taking power from others.


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