On Tuesday, November 6, 2012 8:32:27 AM UTC-5, rclough wrote: > > > > Physics thus tells us that a falling tree will make > a sound even if nobody is there to witness the event. >
Just the opposite. Physics tells us that sound is an experience for subjects who have some kind of ear. Without that, there is only a recurring change in the position of bodies (vibration), which requires that there be bodies which can detect that this change is occurring. There doesn't need to be a human witness unless by 'make a sound' we mean an experience interpreted with human qualities of sound discernment and sensitivity. > > Because existence then is independent of mind > (the realist position), But it is not independent of experience. > This also refutes Berkeley's > position that things exist because we perceive them. > Yes, Berkeley didn't take it far enough and realize that perception was the sole universal principle, and not just a human privilege. > Those are the complaints of the far left. > They hate everything that has authority or power. > I think that the far left would argue that they do not hate powerful authorities like Gandhi, Martin Luther King, Nelson Mandela, the Dalai Lama, etc. You know, leaders who rise to positions of adoration without taking power from others. Craig -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/everything-list/-/qzVxV_EizvMJ. To post to this group, send email to firstname.lastname@example.org. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.