On Thursday, November 15, 2012 9:42:25 AM UTC-5, rclough wrote:
> Hi Craig Weinberg
> Everything has at least some intelligence or consciousness, according to
> Leibniz's metaphysics,
> even rocks. But these "bare naked monads" are essentially in deep,
> drugged sleep and darkness,
> or at best drunk. Leibniz called such a state the unconscious way before
> Freud and Jung.
I believe that there is an experience on the micro-level of what the coffee
filter is made of - molecules held together as fibers maybe, bit I don't
think that it knows or cares about filtering. It's like if you write the
letters A and B on a piece of paper - I think there is an experience there
on the molecular level, of adhesion, evaporation, maybe other interesting
things we will never know, but I don't think that the letter A knows that
there is a letter B there. Do you? I don't think the letters have a
consciousness because they aren't actually beings, the patterns which they
embody to us are in our experience, not independent beings.
> "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen
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> *Time:* 2012-11-12, 09:54:53
> *Subject:* Re: My embarassing misunderstanding of the intelligence of
> Doesn't mean that a coffee filter is intelligent too? If so, is a series
> of coffee filters more intelligent than one? What about one with a hole in
> On Sunday, November 11, 2012 8:14:05 AM UTC-5, rclough wrote:
>> I was wrong.
>> According to my own definition of intelligence-- that it is the
>> ability of an entity, having at least some measure of free will,
>> to make choices on its own (without outside help)-- a
>> computer can have intelligence, and intelligence in no small measure.
>> The ability to sort is an example. To give a simple example, a
>> computer can sort information, just as Maxwell's Demon could,
>> into two bins. Instead of temperature, it could just be a number.
>> Numbers larger than A go into one bin, smaller than A go
>> into another bin. It does it all on its own, using an "if" statement.
>> Roger Clough, rcl...@verizon.net
>> "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen
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