On 30 Nov 2012, at 19:23, meekerdb wrote:

On 11/30/2012 1:07 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:

Hume uses that argument
as a basis for his dictum:

"Reason is, and ever ought to be, the slave of passion."

Meaning that one should not kill just because it is logical, etc.

I agree. The heart knows, reason can. But this leads to some problem. In fact we can argue that the conflict between heart and reason is with us since the start, and is unavoidable for ever, even in heaven, even for ideally sound machines.

But Hume was pointing out that there is no conflict between passion and reason. Reason can only reach decisions based on values, and it is passion that assigns values. The conflict is between different passions: work and leisure, security and adventure,... Reason gets blamed because it brings the bad news that you can't have it all.

I agree, but there is still, I think, a more basic opposition between reason and passion, which is that reason can't justify a part of passion, and so reason can question some passion, and passion, most of the time hate this state of affairs. Reason and passion can have different reason, and different passion, somehow. In AUDA, or even already in UDA, it is the fact that the third person view can be in conflict with the first person view, making harder sacrifice for the collectivity, and similar "apoptosis", for example. It is the "conflict" between Bp & p, and Bp alone: it does lead to conflicting and irreducible (except with comp, at the meta-level, for ideal machine) internal views on reality. It is almost the conflict, present in the John Clark post (for example) between the truth (after duplication) that you are in M and that you are in W, and the truth that you are in only one city, or the difference between subjective 1p, and objective 3p. We need both, and we can't avoid them in any way (except perhaps dying, IF that is possible).



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