# Re: Escaping from the world of 3p Flatland

On Thu, Dec 27, 2012 at 06:21:06AM -0500, Roger Clough wrote:
> Hi Russell Standish
>
> Good point.
>
> You are right, but we cannot do without 1p and 2p
> unless we want to live in Flatland (Thirdness, the publicly
> available world of 3p logic).  Truths are stated in words,
> so it includes necessary and contingent truths. The "p"
> levels are depth levels of a Peircean sort (closer to meanings than

What I wanted to get at is why are you claiming this? The 1p and 3p
refer to subjective and objective points of view. There is no
2p. There is also a 1p plural, for shared subjective things. The "p"
is short for "person"

I'm not saying these things are unconnected to Peircean semiotics, but
without more elaboration from you as to why you think so, I can't see
the connection. It is certainly not obvious.

> truths, since they are unstated and personal), where 2p is II
> and 1p is I. I suggest we call them "personal meanings"
> and leave "truths" to III.
>
> I hope I can remember that.
>
> [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net]
> 12/27/2012
> "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." - Woody Allen
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> From: Russell Standish
> Time: 2012-12-26, 20:21:34
> Subject: Re: On the truth of comp -->Fw: 1p= pragmatic or experiential truth
> vs3p = truth by calculation
>
>
> What is the point of redefining 1p and 3p this way?
>
> If you want to do this, you should first show that you recover the
> usual meanings of the terms, otherwise you may as well be speaking gibberish.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 11:33:04AM -0500, Roger Clough wrote:
> >
> > Note that
> >
> > 1p = contingent truth
> >
> > 3p = necessary truth
> >
> > So the question of whether comp is true or not is
> > whether or when or where
> >
> > 1p = 3p
> >
> >
> >
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> > Sender: Roger Clough
> > Time: 2012-12-26, 11:26:27
> > Subject: 1p= pragmatic or experiential truth vs 3p = truth by calculation
> >
> >
> > Hi everything-list
> >
> >
> > IMHO that comp iis true or not is equalvalent to the question
> >
> >
> > does
> >
> > 1p = 3p ?
> >
> > where
> >
> > 1p= truth by experience (or actuality) and
> >
> > 3p = truth by description (by theory)
> >
> >
> >
> > [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net]
> > 12/26/2012
> > "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen
> >
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