On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 9:41 AM, John Mikes <jami...@gmail.com> wrote: > Stathis!!!!!!!!!!! (See after your remark) - John M > > > On Thu, Dec 27, 2012 at 7:38 PM, Stathis Papaioannou <stath...@gmail.com> > wrote: >> >> >> It's possible to prove that computers can be conscious if it can be >> proved that the physical movement of the parts of the brain can be >> simulated by a computer. > > ================================ >> >> Firstly: did we agree in a working identification of 'conscious'?
It's a mysterious thing you know you have when you have it. For the purposes of this discussion that suffices. > Secondly: is such 'conscious' phenomenon PHYSICAL? It appears to be associated with or supervene on or be caused by certain brain processes, since when those brain processes are present consciousness (whatever it is) is also present, and when those brain processes are not present consciousness is not present. > Thirdly: do we know ALL (even restricted to 'physical(?)') movements of > (all) the parts of the brain involved in mental actiity to state ALL their > movements can be simulated by a computer? No, we can't be sure. There may be non-computable physical processes in the universe. But the evidence is that physics is computable. -- Stathis Papaioannou -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to firstname.lastname@example.org. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.