On 1/4/2013 8:38 AM, Roger Clough wrote:
Hi meekerdb

1) Materialists don't have any dogmas. Just ask one of them.

Theists have nothing but dogmas and you don't have to ask them, they tell you, e.g. one of their dogmas is that materialism is wrong, humans have immortal souls, and God will punish you if you don't like Him.

2) quanta are not materials.

If electrons and quarks aren't material, what is?

3) materialism cannot accept empty space, since it isn't a material.

What is this "accept"? Is it like "have faith in"? Does it mean "accept as dogma"? Most models of the physical world include empty space (although 'empty' is relative to the model).

Brent


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On 1/3/2013 11:47 PM, Roger Clough wrote:
Hi Russell Standish

Most scientific publications are based on the 19th century religious cult of 
materialism,
which dogmatically rejects mind and spirit for atheistic purposes (not reasons, 
there are none).
Do you have any citations showing where this dogma is written down?

It cannot deal with fields at all,
Ever hear of quantum *field* theory.

for example the theory of relativity, since that
theory asserts that there is no such thing as space (and yet it works).
General relativity is a theory of metric space.

M does not
believe in fields, for they are anathema: immaterial, purely mathematical.
So of course monads and morphisms are nonsense to a materialist.
He lives in a fantasy world.
You must be living in some other world to think scientist cannot deal with 
fields - a
concept they invented.

Brent


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On Thu, Jan 03, 2013 at 01:46:20PM -0500, Richard Ruquist wrote:
While you may investigate such things you will be at a loss to publish
them except on the internet. Even the Cornell internet archives
arXiv.com refuses to publish such results or such thinking. The last
person to get such thinking published on arXiv was Nobelist Brian
Josephson almost a decade ago http://arxiv.org/abs/physics/0312012.

Thankfully Peter Gibbs has created a similar list vixra.org where
almost anything rejected by arXiv can be published, for example my
last paper http://vixra.org/pdf/1101.0044v1.pdf
Richard
I'm sceptical of Sheldrake's explanation in terms of "morphic fields"
(or even monads). It makes no sense. However, the empirical effect he
observed may well stand. We should probe such results, test for any
methodological flaws, and if they continue to hold up, look for
alternative explanations that might work.

Of course it is a hard row to hoe. A few years ago, I had some
empirical results that literally flew in the face of neutral evolution
thoery
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neutral_theory_of_molecular_evolution). I
could not get these results published, and got treated by scorn by
journal referees. Then after about a year of thought, I worked out the
mechanism - in the end it was quite a simple, but nevertheless real
effect. This time, the paper was accepted without question.

You can see the resulting paper at arXiv:nlin.AO/0404012

In spite of thise result having quite profound implications for
things like the "molecular clock" idea, AFAIK, nobody has investigated
whether anything like this happens in real biology.

It does also stand as an example of what is required to publish
contra-paradigmatic results.

Cheers

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