Hi John,

My suspicion is that Roger is so keen to impose a Piercean triadic
view on things that he has omitted to make the necessary connection
with the normal meaning of 1p/3p as standing for subjective/objective.

Cheers

On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 04:55:17PM -0500, John Mikes wrote:
> Russell,
> I reflect after a long-long time to your post. I had a war on my hand about
> objective and subjective, fighting for the latter, since we are 'us' and
> cannot be 'them'. I never elevated to the mindset of Lady Welby 1904, who -
> maybe? - got it what 2p was.
> My vocabulary allows me to consider what "I consider" (=1p) and I may
> communicat it (still 1p) to anybody else, who receives it as a 3p
> communication and acknowledges it into HIS 1p way adjusted and reformed
> into it. There is no other situation I can figure. Whatever I 'read' or
> 'hear' is 3p for me and I do the above to it to get it into my 1p mindset.
> No 2p to my knowledge. Could you improve upon my ignorance?
> John Mikes
> 
> On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 1:21 AM, Russell Standish 
> <li...@hpcoders.com.au>wrote:
> 
> > On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 08:29:52AM -0500, Roger Clough wrote:
> > > Hi Russell Standish
> > >
> > > 2p should be a necessary part of comp, espcially if it uses synthetic
> > logic.
> > > It doesn't seem to be needed for deductive logic, however.
> > >
> > > The following equivalences should hold between comp
> > > and Peirce's logical categories:
> > >
> > > 3p = Thirdness or III
> > > 2p = Secondness or II
> > > 1p = Firstness or I.
> > >
> > > Comp seems to only use analytic or deductive logic,
> > > while Peirce's categories are epistemological (synthetic
> > > logic) categories, in which secondness is an integral part.
> > > So .
> > >
> > > Here's what Peirce has to say about his categorioes:
> > >
> > > http://www.helsinki.fi/science/commens/terms/secondness.html
> > >
> > >
> > > "Firstness is the mode of being of that which is such as it is,
> > > positively and without reference to anything else.
> > >
> > > Secondness is the mode of being of that which is such as it is,
> > > with respect to a second but regardless of any third.
> > >
> > > Thirdness is the mode of being of that which is such as it is,
> > > in bringing a second and third into relation to each other."
> > > (A Letter to Lady Welby, CP 8.328, 1904)"
> > >
> >
> > Thanks for the definition, but how does that relate to 1p and 3p? I
> > cannot see anything in the definitions of firstness and thirdness that
> > relate to subjectivity and objectivity.
> >
> > As I said before, I do not even know what 2p could be.
> >
> >
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