Hi Russell Standish

Firstness is the mode of being of that which is such as it is, positively and 
without reference to anything else.  
Secondness is the mode of being of that which is such as it is, with respect to 
a second but regardless of any third.  
Thirdness is the mode of being of that which is such as it is, in bringing a 
second and third into relation to each other."

I believe 1p is Firstness (raw experience of cat) + Secondness (identification 
of the image "cat" with the word "cast" to oneself)
and 3p = Thirdness (expression of "cat" to others) 


[Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net]
 


Peirce 
Peirce, being a pragmatist, described perception according to what happened
at each stage,1/18/2013  
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Subject: Re: Re: Escaping from the world of 3p Flatland 


Hi John, 

My suspicion is that Roger is so keen to impose a Piercean triadic 
view on things that he has omitted to make the necessary connection 
with the normal meaning of 1p/3p as standing for subjective/objective. 

Cheers 

On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 04:55:17PM -0500, John Mikes wrote: 
> Russell, 
> I reflect after a long-long time to your post. I had a war on my hand about 
> objective and subjective, fighting for the latter, since we are 'us' and 
> cannot be 'them'. I never elevated to the mindset of Lady Welby 1904, who - 
> maybe? - got it what 2p was. 
> My vocabulary allows me to consider what "I consider" (=1p) and I may 
> communicat it (still 1p) to anybody else, who receives it as a 3p 
> communication and acknowledges it into HIS 1p way adjusted and reformed 
> into it. There is no other situation I can figure. Whatever I 'read' or 
> 'hear' is 3p for me and I do the above to it to get it into my 1p mindset. 
> No 2p to my knowledge. Could you improve upon my ignorance? 
> John Mikes 
>  
> On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 1:21 AM, Russell Standish wrote: 
>  
> > On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 08:29:52AM -0500, Roger Clough wrote: 
> > > Hi Russell Standish 
> > > 
> > > 2p should be a necessary part of comp, espcially if it uses synthetic 
> > logic. 
> > > It doesn't seem to be needed for deductive logic, however. 
> > > 
> > > The following equivalences should hold between comp 
> > > and Peirce's logical categories: 
> > > 
> > > 3p = Thirdness or III 
> > > 2p = Secondness or II 
> > > 1p = Firstness or I. 
> > > 
> > > Comp seems to only use analytic or deductive logic, 
> > > while Peirce's categories are epistemological (synthetic 
> > > logic) categories, in which secondness is an integral part. 
> > > So . 
> > > 
> > > Here's what Peirce has to say about his categorioes: 
> > > 
> > > http://www.helsinki.fi/science/commens/terms/secondness.html 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > "Firstness is the mode of being of that which is such as it is, 
> > > positively and without reference to anything else. 
> > > 
> > > Secondness is the mode of being of that which is such as it is, 
> > > with respect to a second but regardless of any third. 
> > > 
> > > Thirdness is the mode of being of that which is such as it is, 
> > > in bringing a second and third into relation to each other." 
> > > (A Letter to Lady Welby, CP 8.328, 1904)" 
> > > 
> > 
> > Thanks for the definition, but how does that relate to 1p and 3p? I 
> > cannot see anything in the definitions of firstness and thirdness that 
> > relate to subjectivity and objectivity. 
> > 
> > As I said before, I do not even know what 2p could be. 
> > 
> > 
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