Hi Bruno Marchal
Just trying to clarify things.
1) OK, I partly understand if we allow words as output.
But words are descriptions (3p, or Thirdness),
not experience (1p, or Firstness).
2) Let us admit for the moment that it is possible
for a computer to be conscious. What would it be
conscious of ? The code it is running, which would be
like a stream of consciousness, ie an experience ?
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From: Bruno Marchal
Time: 2013-01-22, 12:00:41
Subject: Re: Escaping from the world of 3p Flatland
On 22 Jan 2013, at 12:36, Roger Clough wrote:
Hi Bruno Marchal
"God, matter, consciousness are never computable"
Is that because the above are nonphysical ?
Matter is physical, by definition, yet non computable. This follows from the UD
If consciousness is not computable, can ideas be computable ?
Yes. Most of them are (the programs, the monads).
I'm totally lost. I don't even understand how ANYTHING other
than numbers can be computable.
Strings of letter are not number, but the operation of concatenation is
computable ( a + baba = ababa).
Look at your computer, you see mails, letters, etc. Not number, yet all what
you do with your computer (like sending a mail) are computable operation.
Suppose you do a computation. You get a number or a bunch of numbers.
How can you say what they mean ?
By remembering the definitions, the axioms I am assuming, etc. I don't see the
problem. If you refer to the qualia, this is explain by the peculiarity of the
logic of machines self-reference: when machine introspect they can understand
things, without completely understanding the understanding process itself. It
is normal, but it needs a bot of computer science and mathematical logic to get
the complete picture.
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