On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 5:05 AM, Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be> wrote: > > On 22 Jan 2013, at 18:44, Richard Ruquist wrote: > > > On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 12:11 PM, Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be> wrote: >> >> You seem to not having yet realize that with comp, not only materialism is >> wrong, but also weak materialism, that is, the doctrine asserting the >> primary existence of matter, or the existence of primary matter. >> >> We are, well, not in the matrix, but in infinities of purely arithmetical >> matrices. matter is an appearance from inside. >> >> My point is not that this is true, but that it follows from comp, and that >> computer science makes this enough precise so that we can test it. > > > Bruno, > Is it possible that the existence of matter from comp as a dream of the > Quantum Mind happened once and for all time way back in time? > > > I am still unsure what you mean by "quantum mind". If by quantum you mean > the usual quantum mechanics, it should appear as the natural view of > arithmetic (numberland, computerland) seen from inside. You can say that > mind and matter exist as a view of the (totally atemporal and aspatial) > number reality. It is time itself which "appears", in a non tempral sense, > but a logical sense, from the elementary number relation. As amazing it > might seem, comp makes really a theory like > > x + 0 = x > x + s(y) = s(x + y) > > x *0 = 0 > x*s(y) = x*y + x > > or like > > ((K, x), y) = x > (((S, x), y), z) = ((x, z), (y, z)) > > into authentical (and equivalent) "theories of everything" (mind, force and > stuff). The rest are definition and theorems. Those theories are complete > and even non completeable. If string theory is the correct physics, then it > has to be derived from the relation above. And I can explain that we get > more, as we will get the non communicable part of truth too (the qualia). > Normally we will go through some steps of this on FOAR. On this list, I have > explained many things, but the list is too voluminous to search. > > Bruno
It seems that you have avoided my question by questioning what I mean by quantum mind. So let me rephrase it. Could arithmetics produce matter once and for all a long time ago? Or must the illusion of matter be constantly reinforced by arithmetics? Richard > > > > http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To post to this group, send email to email@example.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to firstname.lastname@example.org. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.