On 2/5/2013 9:51 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:


On 05 Feb 2013, at 18:10, Quentin Anciaux wrote:



2013/2/5 Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be <mailto:marc...@ulb.ac.be>>


    On 05 Feb 2013, at 14:34, Roger Clough wrote:

    Hi meekerdb
    There's nothing wrong with science as science.
    But a problem arises when you apply the results to theology.
    Two completely different worlds.

    That's indeed a point where string atheists agree with string christian. 
Let us try
    to be not serious on theology, so we can assert the fairy tales. Strong 
Christian
    are happy because they feel like they can contradict the scientific 
evidences, and
    the atheists are happy so they can continue to mock the christians, and 
continue to
    sleep on their own (materialist) dogma.


You put meaning in atheism which is not there... an atheist can perfectly be an idealist... materialism is not part of the definition of atheism.

Definition here are often contradictory. Some years ago, the definition keep 
changing.

Can you give me the name of an atheist who is idealist?

Almost all of them by my definition of a-theist, e.g. Bosanquet, Fichte, McTaggart,... Of course by your definition, hardly anyone is an atheist since it would be denying there is anything fundamental; something like "It's turtles all the way down."

Brent


Bruno




Quentin


    That does not give much place for the genuine inquiry, I think.

    Bruno



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        On 2/4/2013 7:56 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:

        On 03 Feb 2013, at 12:30, Roger Clough wrote:

        Hi John Mikes
        �
        It says
        �
        "The Fabric of Eternity is the author's personal view of the Universe 
that
        allows for science and theology to explore the wonders of creation in
        peaceful unison.'
        �
        IMHO that is completely misguided, because the worlds they understand燼re
        separate magisteria, to use�
        Stephan Jay Gould's phrase.� Science deals with the physical world, and
        theology deals with
        the nonphysical world.

        Only an Aristotelian can say "science deals with the physical world". 
This
        sums up physicalism.

        A Platonist says that science is just the modest tool/method to deal 
with any
        subject.

        Except it was Plato who thought he could understand the world by just 
thinking
        about it, while it was Aristotle who went out to observe and let the 
world
        teach him.� So who was modest and who was arrogant?

        Brent

        Allowing the abandon of science in the theological field can only be an
        invitation to the bad faith in there, and to the "don't ask" mentality.

        Bruno

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