On Wednesday, February 6, 2013 1:04:02 PM UTC-5, John Clark wrote: > > > > On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 6:00 PM, Telmo Menezes > <[email protected]<javascript:> > > wrote: > > >>> I'm not claiming that intelligence == mind. >>>> >>> >>> > Do you believe that your fellow human beings have minds? If so why? >>> >> >> > Yes (weakly). >> > > You believe that only weakly?! Do you really think there is a 49% chance > that you are the only conscious being in the universe? By the way, I don't > believe other people have minds when they are sleeping or under anesthesia > or dead because when they are in those states they don't behave very > intelligently. >
People can pretend to be asleep or anesthetized or dead also. In that case, the criteria of behaving intelligently would not help you determine whether they have a mind or not. > > Occam's razor. If I'm the only human being with a mind, then, for some >> mysterious reason, there are two types of human beings: me (with a mind) >> and the others (zombies). So heuristically I'm inclined to believe that all >> human beings have a mind, >> > > OK, but if you also believe in Darwin's theory of Evolution then you must > also believe that consciousness MUST be a byproduct of intelligence because > Evolution can't directly see consciousness any better than we can > We don't see consciousness directly? What is it that we do see directly if not our own consciousness? Evolution assumes life and consciousness, it is not a theory of the origin of either. http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/misconceptions_faq.php#a1 Number one misconception: > > - > > *MISCONCEPTION: Evolution is a theory about the origin of life.* > > *CORRECTION: *Evolutionary theory *does* encompass ideas and evidence > regarding life's origins (e.g., whether or not it happened near a deep-sea > vent, which organic molecules came first, etc.), but this is not the > central focus of evolutionary > theory<http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/glossary/glossary_popup.php?word=theory>. > > Most of evolutionary biology deals with how life changed *after* its > origin. Regardless of how life started, afterwards it branched and > diversified, and most studies of evolution are focused on those processes. > > > and so cannot select for it, and yet you and probably other people are > conscious. Thus you must also believe that if a computer is intelligent > then it is conscious. Then you must also believe that intelligence == mind. > If computers are conscious then we are monsters for enslaving them, are we not? Even horses don't get thrown into a recycling bin just because we buy a new one. Craig > > > although I know I will never be able to prove it. >> > > I agree on that point. > > John K Clark > > > > > > > >> >> >> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
