This documentary is very good. it is about alterations of consciouness
produced by accidents. This case has a injured temporal lobe. The effect is
very similar to a psychotropic drug, religious feelings included:
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http://www.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ry8wwV50ylQ&list=PLyXtpSZUDSjzBluIm4CL5Dbf4F65B0t24.com/secrets-of-the-mind


2013/2/8 Alberto G. Corona <agocor...@gmail.com>

> Some initial comments, because I´m very interested on these alterations of
> conscience. The rest of my comments will appear along the conversation:
>
> I´m persuaded, by very simple evolutionary analysis that plants
> produced whatever chemical substance that stops from eating them. this is
> their only mechanism of defence since they can not run, apart from
> spines, indigestible tissues and so on (by the way, if you find a plant
> with spines, it is very likely that this plant is edible).
>
> To deter being eaten, the plants produce whatever work for this purpose:
> from consciousness alteration substances to  venoms that interfere
> critically with varius psysiological functions.
>
> The nauseas, diarrea, very bad taste experienced by the plant eater is a
> logical reaction: the organism detect the alteration and try to stop eating
> and to expel the substance eaten from the digestive tract (by both orifices
> ;). By the way when we feel the unnatural sensation of acceleration and
> movements without walking, for example in a car in a curvy road, it is
> erroneously interpreted by the organism as an alteration of conscience
> produced by something eaten, so it trigger the same reaction, trying
> to expel some substance that we has not eaten. (see Evolutionary
> Psychology and the generation of *Culture* (ISBN 0195101073))
>
> some drugs seem to debilitate the control centre that integrate
> information form different modules in the mind-brain. Some people that has
> suffered a trauma in the brain experience these alterations permanently.
> This control center is in charge of ordering the relevance of the inputs
> both the external inputs and the output produced by other mental
> modules.this mental control center can be called  "consciousness".
>
> That's why under hallucinogenous drugs we receive an stream of non
> filtered events: We see the furniture, but also the interpretation of the
> furniture as a monster. This monster interpretation is also produced by the
> visual interpretation module  in a normal state, among other alternative
> interpretations, but these bizarre interpretations would never arrive to
> the conscious. The drugs break this filter. What the consciousness perceive
> in a normal state is a consensual, coherent picture of the environment,
> according with what existed a moment ago. What the hallucinogen produce is
> a disruption of this process, Just like a venom interfere in other
> physiological functions. Plants simply essay different variations of
> chemicals and the ones that deter being eaten. that why the amazing variety
> of effect that produce different species. Animals have livers to detoxify
> these chemicals by enzymes.
>
> I have no dout that, we have a mythological  religious and social modules
> that produce their own outputs, in the form of feelings, but also
> interpretations or colourations of visual images.  It also
> produce hallucinations that are not arbitrary.
>
> In a normal state the conscience module produce the effect is a sort of
> super-ego conversations or a conscientious feeling. I sometimes talk with
> my father and I don´t think that I´m crazy  But when the raw output of the
> conscience is not filtered, sometimes these outputs associate themselves
> with the visual output and form of hallucinations  who talk to us. The
> double reaction of fear and admiration , peace and terror are universal
> against the unknown and hallucinations trigger these reactions. These are
> the reactions produced by the unscontrolled stream of elaborations that
> would arrive to the consciousness under hallucinative state.
>
> Life is about to deal with the unknowm. According with evolutionary
> psychologiests,  the dreams in normal dream state are probably a  training
> for tuning the mind for possible situations that may happen in the future.
> The construction if dreams follows the same logic, at other level, than
> the altered consciousness produced by drugs.
>
> Finally, hallucinations don´t say arbitrary things, since they
> are exaggerated products of our own mind. The conscience speak in favour of
> the social interests and the own long term  interest, and also about what
> we have to fear and what we have to love. If a mythical entity talk with us
> in an altered state, he is talking about us and about how we must  feel and
> behave about others, and its narration is a result of our evolutionary past
> in combination with event of the personal experience
>
> That´t why religious people in a society are very important.  They are in
> more close contact with this spiritual self and know the best practices
> -traditions- of the society.
>
> Lastly, Reality is our shared consciousness. we have no other reality
> reachable to us.  The rejection of any of the  phenomenological
> elaborations of our mind is not only an impoverishment of our life, but an
> unscientific rejection of study the reality available to us, and -for the
> matherialist minded ones- an impairment of our possibilities of survival as
> individuals and as a society.
>
>
> 2013/2/8 Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be>
>
>>
>> On 08 Feb 2013, at 10:09, Russell Standish wrote:
>>
>>  On Fri, Feb 08, 2013 at 07:31:06PM +1100, Kim Jones wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Salvia, like Ketamine, (but quite less dangerous, and anti-addictive)
>>>>> has a dissociative effect which might illustrate the "Galois connection"
>>>>> between 1p-mind (consciousness) and its 3p local handlings (the 
>>>>> 3p-brains).
>>>>> By making a peculiar dissociation at some place in the brain, one are left
>>>>> with the feeling that we are *less* than we are used to think, and that we
>>>>> are consequently in front of *more* possibilities. That "Galois 
>>>>> connection"
>>>>> occurs in many place in math: less equations = more solutions, or less
>>>>> axioms = more interpretations/models. Somehow less brain = more 
>>>>> experience,
>>>>> or more intense and richer feeling of experience. This would make the 
>>>>> brain
>>>>> being more a filter of consciousness than a producer of consciousness.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hmmmmmmm……"less is more". Another of my favourite expressions. Please
>>>> explain the "Gallic connection" (connection galoise à laquelle tu pointe).
>>>> I am currently convinced that the brain "receives" the mind, much as a
>>>> radio receiver receives signal, so this makes INTUITIVE sense to me.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I assume he was referring to
>>>
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/**Galois_connection<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galois_connection>
>>>
>>
>> Not bad article. I was alluding to the syntax/semantics (Galois)
>> connection, and its generalization into machine and machine's behavior, or
>> machine and machine's mind, when the brain becomes a filter of
>> consciousness instead of "producer" of consciousness, but all this are open
>> problems (in arithmetic/computer science).
>>
>> Bruno
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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