Outside of consciousness, there is no possibility of discerning any 
difference between accidental byproducts and selected products. Only 
consciousness selects. Only consciousness has accidents.


On Friday, February 8, 2013 5:53:18 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote:
>  On 2/8/2013 10:49 AM, John Clark wrote: 
> I don't know what you mean by that, what I mean is that consciousness is a 
> spandrel, it is the unavoidable result of intelligence.
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spandrel_%28biology%29<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spandrel_%28biology%29>
> Or it could be an accidental byproduct of the way human intelligence 
> developed - unavoidable only in the sense that it was the only reachable 
> intelligent starting from hominds.  Evolution can only move species to 
> local maxima of fitness.  
> In Roland Omnes recent book he imagines an alien race that has enormous 
> memory capacity, so that simply remember everything that has happened and 
> what was done and when the need to make a decision they just do the thing 
> that turned out best in the past.  It's Omnes caricature of Hume's theory 
> of cause and effect.  But his idea is that such aliens wouldn't develop 
> 'theories' as we do to summarize past events.  Would they be conscious?  I 
> don't know, but I'd guess they wouldn't be conscious in the way I am (I 
> don't remember what I had for breakfast yesterday...but I have a theory).
> Brent

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