No, that's a false equivalence. Any simulated hurricane *can be* the same as any other simulated hurricane, but no simulated hurricane can be the same as any actual hurricane. Arithmetic cannot be simulated because it is only figurative to begin with. You can paint a painting of a pipe that says 'this isn't a pipe', but you can't paint a painting that truthfully says 'these are not words' or 'this is not a painting'. > Whether the > intelligence has the same associated consciousness or not is a matter > for debate, but not the intelligence itself. > I disagree. There is no internal intelligence there at all. Zero. There is a recording of some aspects of human intelligence which can extend human intelligence into extra-human ranges for human users. The computer itself has no extra-human intelligence, just as a telescope itself doesn't see anything, it just helps us see, passively of course. We are the users of technology, technology itself is not a user. Craig > > > -- > Stathis Papaioannou > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to firstname.lastname@example.org. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.