On 18 Feb 2013, at 20:47, Terren Suydam wrote:
If God is arithmetical truth, then what if anything is there to be
said about its "character"?
That it has a lot of imagination, is creative, and probably has some
sense of humor.
But none of this can be taken literally. Indeed, the notion of truth
itself cannot be literal or defined with word, but we can know some
part of it. And if we are machine, that is already the case for
arithmetical truth (but keep in mind we cannot be sure of that).
But that God has sense of humor belongs to G* - G. It is not
communicable, and some suffering people can be led astray from God
with remark like that. Only people understanding the joke can laugh,
in private, for not despairing the others.
I know from a formal perspective the answer is nothing, because
nothing formal can be said about truth.
At the metalevel some things can be said, like when ZF develops the
"theology" of a simpler Löbian machine like PA. What cannot be done by
ZF is the lifting of that theology on herself, without adding the
interrogation mark, and doing this in some private way.
This is more of an informal question, and comes out of my innate
desire to anthropomorphize. If we accept the God of comp, and come
to see our experience as the view from the inside of a particular
infinity of universal machines, then is there something to be said
about what corners of arithmetical truth we "must" (or "most
probably") be in that can help us relate in a more personal sense to
Making God into a person, or a personal person, if I can say, is the
role of the soul. It connects the representable beliefs with Truth.
So, if someone is courageous enough to accept truth and be in peace
with it, he will let God-alias-truth making his personal job at his
place. But all that again cannot be made public. It is eventually
something highly private (if not there is the risk of, willingly or
unwillingly, transforming a terrestrial talk into an authoritative
argument: the theological trap). So the personal relation with truth/
god is when you attempt to accept it, and let it, silently, drive you.
I think it is something natural, but that has been hidden by the use/
misuse of languages, which leads to many sort of illusions, and truth-
departure. That's why soul tends to fall from their universal roots.
People believed that they can avoid truth, and some people can believe
that their whole life. But that can lead to many problems for those
living in their neighborhoods.
A crude example question might be, if God did not have a sense of
humor, could we exist?
Ah! I see we agree that God has some sense of humor. Careful with
this, because it could look like it might mean that we have some
experience, of the type: fundamentally not communicable.
Well, I don't know if we could exist without God having some sense of
You could substitute other characterizations for other questions.
Given that we could in principle derive physics from the math of the
UD - providing a (partial) answer to the measure problem - could we
not also "solve" for the "character" of God?
Not really, except at some meta-level, by saying that God's character
is something that the soul might experience, like when near death, or
when suffering, or when doing experiences related to truth and to
illusions/desillusions. But nobody can't push people in that
direction, as only them can hear and listen to the possible "truth",
if they want and are ready.
I think Plotinus is right: God has no will other than the will of the
Good willing people.
Our connection with Truth is only through our attempt to acknowledge
that our beliefs are wrong, when they are wrong. Eventually truth is
simple, but it admits arbitrary long detours, which is nice to
contemplate, but with the price of the dead end, and some possible
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