On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 5:11 PM, Richard Ruquist <yann...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 5:57 PM, Jason Resch <jasonre...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 4:19 PM, Richard Ruquist <yann...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 5:12 PM, Jason Resch <jasonre...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 3:47 PM, meekerdb <meeke...@verizon.net>
> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> On 2/18/2013 11:03 PM, Jason Resch wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 3:18 PM, meekerdb <meeke...@verizon.net>
> wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>> On 2/18/2013 11:47 AM, Terren Suydam wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> If God is arithmetical truth, then what if anything is there to be
> >> >>> said
> >> >>> about its "character"? I know from a formal perspective the answer
> is
> >> >>> nothing, because nothing formal can be said about truth.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> This is more of an informal question, and comes out of my innate
> >> >>> desire
> >> >>> to anthropomorphize.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Why would you suppose that your desire to anthropomorphize is
> anything
> >> >>> other than wishful thinking?  Do you also have a desire to
> >> >>> anthropormorphize
> >> >>> the periodic table?  the solar system?  the infinitesimal calculus?
> >> >>>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Within comp, there are many minds that have infinite computations
> >> >> resources at their disposal.  They can evolve forever, and approach
> >> >> infinite
> >> >> intelligence and knowledge.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> You're just making this up.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > I'm not.  Look in the universal dovetailer and you will find such
> >> > intelligent processes with unlimited memory and processing at their
> >> > disposal, in fact you will find an infinite number of them.
> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> The evidence is that smarter people tend to have fewer children and
> so
> >> >> evolution doesn't necessary favor intelligence.  It is also quite
> >> >> possible
> >> >> that evolution always leads to a stage of species growth which so
> >> >> exploits
> >> >> the environment of its planet that is goes extinct within a few
> hundred
> >> >> thousand years.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > I don't see how this is an argument against my assertion that there
> >> > exist
> >> > intelligences with infinite computational resources (assuming
> >> > arithmetical
> >> > realism).
> >> >
> >> >>
> >> The physics of holographic universes suggest that computations are
> >> limited by the number of bits of information available for
> >> computation. At present the limit appears to be 10^120 bits, the
> >> so-called Lloyd limit, and with future prospects of less than 10^122
> >> bits based on the cosmology constant (or Dark Energy).
> >> Richard
> >>
> >
> > Richard,
> >
> > I think you might have missed a key point of what I said, which was that
> > these intelligences exist "within comp", not within our own, possibly
> > holographic, universe.
> >
> > Jason
>
> So where is comp located
>

In the relations between numbers as implied by certain facts of
arithmetical truth.

Jason

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