On 2/20/2013 8:09 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:

On 20 Feb 2013, at 05:28, Craig Weinberg wrote:

On Tuesday, February 19, 2013 10:53:46 PM UTC-5, stathisp wrote:

    On Wednesday, February 20, 2013, Craig Weinberg wrote:

        If he is making mice conscious of infra-red light though, then I would 
say he
        works with consciousness.

    How do you know the mice are conscious of infra-red light? If it were a 
machine you
    would say it wasn't conscious, it just reacted to the light in a way that
    superficially resembles consciousness.

That's because we are obliged to give organisms like us the benefit of the doubt. The opposite is true of machines, where we have seen that their behavior has no basis in any innate sensitivity or agenda of the machine.

1) nobody has seen this (and I am not sure "seeing that kind of thing" can make 

We can see behavior which is indicative of different levels of intelligence and we can also observe the structures responsible for computation. For example I know a neuroscientist who, for ethical reasons, won't eat any kind of animal to that has a cerebral cortex.


2) seeing is no proof of existence or inexistence. Nor even ontological 


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